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I don't have the money to buy a bug out property, so here's my plan it may work for others. Once a month, I look online for remote properties for sale. I try to find something out of the way and vacant. When I find one, I make that my location, figuring that the property is empty and in a SHTF case, you only own what you have posession of and can defend. If I can get there before anyone else, me and mine will claim the location and defend it. I try to have 1 or 2 back up locations also.

Does this sound like a decent plan for someone who can afford to buy a remote house/land?

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This thread may be of interest: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=281937

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I think your time would be better served in scouting property that is considered public domain. National or State Forest land, or perhaps some BLM property. This would reduce the potential of any conflict over ownership.
State, or county parks might also be good locations that have pre-built shelters though others would know about them and there is a possibility that they would be contested.

Of course, if you consider that prior ownership over currently unoccupied land and shelter is no longer valid post SHTF and your willing to make your claim with force and further understand that you could end up on the losing side of an argument then well, aside from the ethics of such a stunt your plan could be worse.

Consider, though, that a good bug out location on private property may be ear marked by the owner as a bug out location for him and his friends and family. Perhaps this private property owner has friends in the surrounding area who might take a dim view of squatters.

What I'm saying is the whole idea of a bug out location is to move to a location that is safe and secure. Moving to a property that has the potential to become contested is not safe and secure. If you find yourself having to defend your property you are already more then half way to losing as there are only three possible outcomes (you win, you lose, you win or lose but are wounded).

The previous owner probably has walked the property and knows the layout at least as well as you do. Better, I think, to find locations that have no prior claim on them.

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So your plan is to steal form others if SHTF. Maybe the theories of douchebags trying to steal your stuff isn't so far fetched. I find it interesting that you don't believe in property rights. I bet you would think differently if the shoe was on the other foot.

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I don't know about your plan, but does THIS sound like a decent plan to you...

The poo hits the fan and I round up the wife and kids and go to my family's farm (over grown and not in use) and I find you or anyone else on it and you 'run' us off. Think you can handle it when I just sit back and snipe your arse from 800-1000 meters?

Since you put my wife and kid's lives in dange I would take your entire group out one by one and would not stop even if you leave. I would follow and track your group until no one was left standing, period.


Now on the other hand, if me and mine showed up and you were on my family's property and you had a 'better attitude', had some supplies, tools, and the willingness to work together for our (both group's / family's) mutual benifit - security, hunt / food gathering, and growing a garden, share in manual labor, etc. then I would definately work something out.

In a PAW situation, stealing anything from anyone person or group could be tantamount to signing their death warrent. What you took / stole could have been the difference between life and death for them.

Even if you did successfully defended / defeated the rightful owners to a piece of property, what makes you think that the surrounding survivors who knows the truth of the situation wouldn't come after you? In that type of situation if a neighbor of mine was run off their property I would join my neighbor and try to gather as many others as possible and come at you, any survivors of your group would be tried and hanged. We would have to or it would send the wrong message (invatition) to any other group or gang out there that the area / community would not fight back.


If I were you I would really rethink your game plan (as well as adjust your attitude) or you may well be one of the poster boys for the Darwin Award when SHTF.

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It shore looks mighty Grim out there...:rofl:

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I am only looking at the properties that would seem to be vacant and on the market for a while indicating that no one would be there. I don't have kids, just me and the wife and she is down with this plan, so only endangering ourselves. Also, in a SHTF sitution, do you really think that most people are going to care about other people's property rights? People will be doing what they need to do to survive.

I sure as heck am not going to stay in Houston with 5 million people that are hungry and have no survival skills.

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Just wear a t-shirt that says 'Bombers scannned me' and you'll be just fine!

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So you're gonna try to make it to a property you've never seen, never worked, carrying only what you can drive up with, if you can get there ?

Yeah.....sounds like a plan. Dig two graves when you first get there, and hope somebody bothers to fill in the last one.

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Stay away from my place, you wont survive my arrival.

Yer plan sucks man........

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My wife will be the first to say "hi" to you...

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That's not a plan man.
And it's also exactly what those other 5,000,000 people will be doing at some point.
The "if you don't squat it, you don't own it" mantra is true though.
Exactly because of people that think like this.
Just cause you think you're gonna get there and steal it first don't make it any more likely to be successful.
I think you should go back to the drawing board.
Here's an idea. If you're low on resources, Instead of wasting time googling around on a computer for mapquests of potentially vacant land to 'claim', spend that time getting to know people who may be able to help someone low on funds but ready to work. Find some shared labor CSA type outfits or something similar and put some actual labor in and get to know the folks that run the place. Find out if they have like mindsets and what their potential is, and let them know , both through discussion and through your actions, that your someone short on fiat but long on ability to be an asset.
Seems to me it'd be time better spent.

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So you're only looking at places that "seem" to be vacant and on the market. You might consider that when TSHTF there won't be any market. You would not be endangering only yourselves. What if the owners show up and you shoot them to defend what you now consider to be yours? Yes, I think people will still respect the rights of others. That's called being civilized. Intelligent people understand that they will be safer by banding together and that will require the respect of others rights. You sound like part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

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Not a good idea at all. It will work just fine until I show up at my property with my camper, family, dogs and guns.

If I were you, I would prepare to bug in. Plenty of food storage ect... If you live in a city and fear that you will be overan, it's a good time to think about moving to a better area were you could safely bug in.

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Dude,

Funny you should say that because it is my .mil 'handle'; because of my 'Grim' outlook and as a play on the Grim Reaper (more along the lines of Grim on the cartoon The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy). That was my kids favorite cartoon before I deployed to Afg in '06 and I had a morale patch made of Grim to put on my kit.


---break---

momopanda,

What is a CSA? Is that anything like a MAG?

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You would be far better off to find even an acre of undeveloped land somewhere safe and buy it. A lot of those properties you see for sale are always for sale. And in the meanwhile, the owners are out there logging, hunting, farming and ranching. I am newly escaped to a pretty safe place and until I have community ties that are tight, I don't feel safe at all. If I was squatting out here, I can tell you, I would be no match for the folks here that know the land and hunt the land. And they all know who their neighbors are and are not, regardless whether they get along.

You are asking to get shot. I would recommend scraping up 5 or 10k and picking up some acres somewhere that you own, then you can come crashing in with your camper and kick out the squatters. In the meantime, you can figure out how to put some shelter on the property and at least be minimally prepped there.

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something you may want to try first if you have not already

http://djerriwarrh.com/

i think it would be nice to be expected and welcome somewhere even if you dont own the land.

trick is can you offer something for somebody to want you even if you dont have the money to buy into a retreat

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I think it's a bad idea to pick a spot and defend it. It might be wiser to find a friend or a few people to go in on a remote meeting place, or make a deal with someone who has land. I think helping each other out in any sort of SHTF scenario would be your first option instead of going straight to a steal from your neighbor mentality. Just my 2 cents. You're just asking for trouble.

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Ummm -

Shift in strategic planning due here.

Bug IN

Not Out.

Includes relationships with neighbors, shared

Resources, shared dangers.

What possible survival edge did you imagine

By squatting on bare land, by yourself?

Just askin'


scyth

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My original bug out plan involved building a shelter on public land in a location I hunt regularly. I know the area really well and it is very remote, ruggard and situated next to a decent river. It is below snow level in dense forest. I changed my opinion on its suitability because of its remoteness. It can become quite subjective living under thick canopy and something as simple as a broken leg could kill me. However I am confident I could have survived there for years. That was 5 years ago and the location still hasn't been visited by anyone except myself and a hunting buddy. It was very cheap to build and maybe an option for you to consider. There is no solution where one idea suits all and you own situation will determine what is best for you.

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I'm gonna move into a van down in the river...






























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get with family members and see if you can pool your money and buy some land , i have a bug out home and no one best be there if im not there because in time me and my family will show up and we will not be the ones leaving . and this i promise you and anyone there

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not really a good idea, very recently, I had listed a property in NorCal,to gain cash for a Colorado place, That place was my bugout place, If SHTF while it was for sale,Guess where i was headed? to be quite blunt, I wouldnt have negotiated.what your suggesting is stealing land,While I understand your wishes to be safe, you would be better off making arrangements with someone prior to SHTF to lease, or get permission to occupy it.My place in Michigan is far too close to the "one tank of gas" option to the Saginaw-Bay city-Midland Area,I will abandon my home here in SHTF. I watch the pulse of world events, even in a Pearl Harbor/9-11 type attack,there will not be immediate restrictions on road travel.maybe localized,but not nationally, the sheep would panic. my advice is the lease option (hunting lands) or the public land /BLM option. Gold claims are very cheap to obtain,and readily available, those would work as well.

here is an example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/80-AC-LAND-GOLD-...ht_4635wt_1165

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I have to agree with the others. It's not a great plan. If you do go that route, look at BLM land or other public land. Timber companies own some fairly large tracts of land that are rarely visited. They're not a great bug-out area, but they're probably better than risking an ugly confrontation with locals who know the owner of the land you're squatting on.

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some good advice above. people & contacts is one of the keys to survival.

that said if i/we could not be at one of the places we have or i couldn't lease/rent at a place or two i know of; or in route to one of our places... i would stop over at some of the lands around here that are for sale by the big land companies that buy up places; & resale[often with onerous- contract for deed offers]. i'd stop at one of these- that i have visited/know before i'd go to public land, because imo there will be lots of folks fleeing to public places- unprepared too.

our backup place is in a once thriving village-like town on a major river. we couldn't afford land but for now, but bought this place[it is rural, & very poor- no jobs] for 3 grand; small lot & savable big house. working on building up relationships, & saving the house there.

hope to get land near the village when the market & real estate tanks.

i can't imagine more than stopping over in one of these 'for sale' places on the way to somewhere i knew someone.

maybe get a decent size boat. the waterways are public.

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I finally opted for and purchased a block of land at a coastal location where I am currently semi bugging out. It expands my food supply dramatically, provides fertiliser for my gardens, enables another form of transportation and provides a portion of my energy needs. I know not everyone can get to the coast and really isolated locations are few and far between. However for those who have such an option it is well worth considering.

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haha, whatever in SHTF, its free for all. Your little acre of whatever is nothing compared to the millions owned by the government. I think most people will stay in the cities though. Robbing, stealing, killing, destroying. Being even 25 miles from the city in the country will reduce alot of that. You won't have to go far to be safe. I am sure alot of the people in the country are prepers simply by where they live. In the city everyone is 100% Dependant on grocery store, city water, city electricity etc. The country person will have a well, generator, garden, tools, food so on so forth.

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That's what I was trying to say in my orginal post. In a full scale SHTF, the goverment is collapsed, the internet is pretty much down. How is anyone going to be able to prove ownership of anything.

Then you have the clowns here stating I'll snip you from 800 yrds. LOL If you come by the location I set up at, just keep an eye out for trip wires and booby traps might get yourself blown up before ya ever get within 800 yrds.

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Gee didn't know we were in a SHTF right now. :sarcasm: Where did I ever say this is how I would act outside of a SHTF scenrio? Someone needs to learn to read. Also, I work at home half the time so be sure to pick the correct day to stop by, I'll throw a lead party for ya.

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You talk real big but if a SHTF situation arises you'd be the first to go.

I really think that you should try to steal someone's land in that scenario. The world has too many leaches as it is.

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IBTL......

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Nobody has to prove that they own their own land via records. If they own it, they are the rightful owners.

So lemme get this straight, you intend to use the confusion and chaos of SHTF to somehow argue with the land owner whether or not you own the land?

Sounds like you've got a death wish!

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no offense but as a person who has joined a local survival group to plan ahead for such an event you are not someone we would want playing on our team.. You are the person we do make plans to encounter though.. :10_1_20:

In addition to that a city slicker is not going to fair well trying to usurp someone else's property who has rural survival skills. Your plan sounds like a really good way to get killed. Cheer up though they may let your wife live if they have manners...

Why not start making arrangement now for a proper place to go. There are different constructive alternatives you could be working on that are of value instead of one that is really going to piss people off and get you hurt.

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Really bums me out that I'll have to deal with possibly you and probably others like you in that event. Please.... and I mean this - Don't go west.

I sincerely hope that all these answers have persuaded you to rethink. Yours is not a survivalist gameplan - its quite the opposite.

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Not a Good Plan.

If I had an unused property the neighbors would call me and tell me you were there. Next Police would show up and you would be in for a rude leagle issue.

My family has had property that had neighbors call before on strange occurances.

Think bug in until you can not any longer. Then bug out to an establised freinds or Relitives spot.

E-A

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This is why it's a bad idea that will get you killed, even if the legit owner never shows up and all his neighbors are fine with some Houston cityslicker seizing it. Without a developed property and developed relationships you cannot survive in SHTF.

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I think there may be lot of folks that think like the OP.

I was eating my chilibeans for lunch at work the other day and I mentioned that I had lots of dry beans and rice stored "Just in case SHTF" Cause I want others to try to be prepared.

One guy said He would be eating steak cause he would just go kill someones cow.

I said "thats a good way to get yourself killed"

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"IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!"

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While in total disagreement with the OP, I have to say that his "plans" are probably very similar to those of many others who are prepped only with Guns n' Ammo. The biggest problem with that line of thinking is that if you aren't a familiar face you are unlikely to arrive at your destination. TR, you and everyone else will be trying to get out, even taking roads that lead into the desert. After sitting in traffic for 14 hours you finally get to the checkpoint. Do you know how many others claimed to own land there? "Title? How do I know this is real?" Looking at the burned hulks at the side of the road you realize they are prepared for the folks with "superior firepower", and if you don't turn around you'll join the corpses.

Even if you establish the land as your own and develop it, even spend a few weeks each year there, you will still be vulnerable to squatters. Owning land isn't the same as being local.

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yeah i agree its probably not the best plan...

if you or your wife have any relatives with property out in the country with a few acres i think you should hook up with them...if thats possible then all you need is a camping trailer to live in full of food to the roof because you don't want to show up being a burden...

you're better off getting there early cause who knows what the road system may look like if you leave too late (blocked highways, desparate city people looking to ambush you to take what you got, country people looking to keep you away from them)


do you have some family you might be able to stay with...

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Not to sound to radical here,

But the best plan for SHTF

Is

"Peace."

Work together, not against.

And, yes, I can hear the high pitched screams

Of the Naysayers, and the Doomsayers, right now.

scyth

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Peace is great...

but in shtf a piece will be better...

:smile:


http://www.saag.org/common/uploaded_...paper1714.html
I have seen people fighting with axes over relief goods.

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Have both.

I'm at peace with my neighbors,

Who are also well armed.

Its nice having options.

scyth

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Heh, this is timely:

http://www.gocomics.com/basicinstruc...ign=user_comic

:clap2:

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If it was property I owned, it would not end well for you.

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[QUOTE=Grim;2024268]Think you can handle it when I just sit back and snipe your arse from 800-1000 meters?
[QUOTE]

This is exactly the problem with "bugging out"....and what will happen to those who think they will be ok with their supplies and preps in an extreme SHTF scenario.